A friend of mine was under anaesthetic for back surgery – she was watching them operate on her from the ceiling of the operating room! Which part was watching?!! FASCINATING topic.

You’ll have fun here, Joe… http://www.issc-taste.org/arc/dbo.cgi?set=expo&ss=1
(some neat stories)

Brightest Blessings,
Nancy

The whole thing is very complex (pretty mind-blowing actually) , and I’ll just attempt to sum up the gist of what she told me :

In any case , according to her, the mind is far from ” being at zero ” when a person is anesthesized !

” Anesthesia is energetically violent ” , she says.

“Everybody has several energetic bodies ( the physical body, emotional body, mental body, etc…) – During anesthesia, several (usually 2 or 3) of the energetic bodies are ‘projected out of’ or ‘away from’ the physical body ; they move away from the central witness-consciousness and may (easily) be confronted with negative energies from the Low Astral ” ( which apprently co-exists with the material universe, being one step outside of your physical body).

She specified that ” we have, of course, several ‘consciousnesses’, since every energetic body has its own consciousness. ” — I.e. this concerns “every non-enlightened (and thus totally unified) human being, meaning most everybody.”

“While under anesthesia, the witness- consiousness remains acutely aware and positioned near the physical body”.

According to her description the “witness” is then nowhere near “zero” but more like halfway between “a red-alert-panic-state” and a computer on ” sleep ” position, “ready to intervene immediately at the time of awakening from the anesthesia : At this precise moment, the central ” witness ” consiousness has the job of reuniting the various energetic bodies + consciousness.”

This (the moment of awakening) is in fact “the most critical and dangerous moment of the anesthesia, because the readjusting/realigning/reunifying of the different bodies is not necessarily easy” : Amongst other things, there is the possibility of not realigning correctly, and also, as far as I understand, ” It’s like taking off your clothes and forgetting where you left them. ” … In this moment of confusion, the mental and the emotional body are apparently particularly vulnerable to being ” pirated ” by negative Low Astral energies such as errant souls that can ” step into those ‘clothes’ lying around ,and then cling to them. ”

And that’s what her mission is — protecting and helping the energetic bodies to remain in alignment and cleansing/ harmonizing them if they’re not

I suppose — as always — it all boils down to ” To Be, or not to Be.” …

xxx

Elinor

This is why when I hit my forties, I started getting “careful” with all physical aspects of life. We can make choices that will hopefully ward off painful experiences.

As far as “where we go”………just finished Deepak’s “Life After Death – Burden of Proof” book, and it was a great ride!

Terry

I did see the Michael Moore Videos and thought at the time of contacting him,
but he’s taking a knock at ‘The Private’ system over there and the medical insurance back-up. I think you’ll find OUR ‘private’ system is good over here,
but the majority of us couldn’t afford the cover. (Cost per head probably a lot higher in real terms than you chaps pay.)

I take your point about the level of consciousness being far different when under anaesthetic. I wonder if ‘The Brain Apples’ guy has delved into that subject?

Have you checked with their data-base?

Great subject.

Pete.

One of the drugs commonly used in the “cocktail” of general anesthetics causes what they call “retroactive amnesia.” That’s a side effect of it — not it’s main purpose. It makes it so you can’t remember what happens during the time it’s in effect, which sure influences people’s memories of their actual surgery experiences. It’s also handy for the patient who’s getting lightweight anesthetics for some small surgery where they want the patient conscious enough to be able to answer questions for them during the surgery. This way, if the painkiller isn’t absolutely effective enough throughout the surgery, at the end of it the patient won’t have a memory of the pain (or at least not an easily-accessible memory). Keeps the lawsuits down, too.

Another thing is that Fentynyl is often used, which is an extremely powerful opiate that changes the way the brain perceives pain. Who knows the extent of what other perceptions it changes? Opiates otherwise can cause euphoria even to the extent of hallucination. If that goes on during surgery, wouldn’t it be great to be able to clear the clouds of the other drugs and access the memories of those thoughts? Wild!

One last consideration: The effects of the multiple drugs employed in these cocktails are mainly researched to get information on how they affect pain levels, patients’ conscious awareness of procedures, and how much the body is going to move in response to the procedures (yikes!). Answers to those questions is what the marketplace is looking for. The kind of research that would help answer your questions isn’t cost-effective for the pharmaceutical companies, so I somehow doubt much of it is going on.

So we get to wonder what effects each of the drugs individually have on our brains, and then who knows what interactive effects there are with these drugs in combination? European and Asian researchers are more likely to pursue these questions as their research is not as profit-driven as ours is here in the U.S. And also not so politically influenced. Hard to separate politics and profits here as regards pharmaceutical research. If you’re curious enough, a library of a medical school has online access to international medical journal articles which could be a resource for you. Physicians connected with those institutions have library privileges for that, and I’m sure you’ve got some connections for that.

So if you needed a few more things to be curious about, you’ve got some now! It’s sure a fascinating subject to explore, isn’t it? And I wonder where the mind goes for those who use acupuncture for anesthesia as opposed to drugs?

Thanks for always getting me thinking, and for continually inspiring me.
Your buddy in curiosity, Janet